Great Life Experiment Podcast

#30 Do We ‘Make Bold Moves in Times of Uncertainty’? And How to Show Up as a Leader?

When the rules of the game keep shifting, what does bold leadership look like?
In this 'Ask Monique' episode, Ben Schafer (Rev Op Leader and husband) joins Monique (Product Leader and Advisor) to explore a listener's questions: do we make bold moves in uncertain times? And how do you, as a leader, show up with all this uncertainty?
Together, Monique and Ben explore the nuances of courage, risk, why inaction is often the riskiest of all, and how to make decisions when the future refuses to give you clarity. This is a conversation that moves beyond easy answers and into the deeper work of leadership, navigating complexity, staying grounded in first principles, and helping others metabolize change. 
Through both personal and professional stories, from parenting during the pandemic to the disruption of AI, Monique and Ben reveal what it takes to lead with intentionality when uncertainty is the only constant. You’ll walk away with clarity on why boldness doesn’t mean recklessness, how to navigate the risks of the status quo, and what it looks like to lead others through change without losing sight of your values or purpose.
In this episode:
(01:47) - The HBR headline that sparked this conversation(05:44) - What “being bold” really means (and doesn’t mean)(10:49) - Why even small bold moves carry hidden risks(13:20) - When not making a decision is a decision, and often the riskiest one(18:28) - Unpacking uncertainty at both personal and business levels(19:31) - Parenting during the pandemic: making bold moves when the stakes are high(23:38) - AI disruption and the temptation of reactive boldness(31:11) - Experiment over analysis over paralysis(35:47) - Time horizons and pacing bold decisions(39:51) - The boldness of speaking truth into leadership(47:24) - Playing your own game without losing your core strengths(50:37) - Lessons from hard choices: one-way vs two-way doors(55:44) - Final reflections: brave, intentional, uncomfortable action in uncertain times.
Links and Resources:
Harvard Business Review (September/October 2025) | https://store.hbr.org/product/harvard-business-review-september-october-2025/BR2505
Connect with Monique:
Website | https://www.thegreatlifeexperimentpodcast.com/ 
Instagram - thegreatlifeexperiment_podcast | https://www.instagram.com/thegreatlifeexperiment_podcast
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YouTube | https://www.youtube.com/@GreatLifeExperiment 
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#29 Finding Flow in Chaos ft. Kathy Keating, Author of Liquid

What if the tension you are feeling right now, whether in your career, business, or life, isn’t a problem to solve, but an invitation to step into flow?
In this episode, Monique sits down with Kathy Keating, a technology executive and bestselling author of Liquid. With more than 30 years of experience as a CTO, founder, board director, and advisor, Kathy has walked leaders through the fire of SaaS, FinTech, HR Tech, and healthcare, always in the moments where growth felt the most complex. 
Kathy’s framework is simple yet profound: complexity isn’t something to fix. It’s something to influence. She reveals why speed is an outcome -  not a checklist item, why leaders who embrace stretch unlock the deepest growth, and what AI really means for the future of our work. She also shares why discomfort isn’t a threat, but the most powerful signal of expansion. 
This episode will shift how you see leadership, growth, and change, not just in your career, but in the way you live your life. 
In this episode:
(03:27) - Sneak peek of Kathy’s new book, Liquid(04:49) - Complexity, systems theory, and leadership choices(05:59) - Boling, freezing, and liquid: a new metaphor for business(09:47) - The myth of speed, and why chasing it makes you slower(13:18) - Speed as an emergent property(14:35) - The Four Sentinels(18:17) - Stretching into discomfort and rethinking growth(21:50) - Why separating actions from outcomes changes everything(24:16) - Where AI is really heading(29:52) - What leaders get wrong about productivity gains vs workforce cuts(33:06) - Influence, tension, and how mid-level leaders speak truth up(36:52) - Pivots, networks, and the hidden work of building influence(40:35) - Why progress is built on tiny iterations, not one big leap
Grab your copy of Kathy’s Book:
Liquid: How CEOs & CTOs Unlock Flow and Momentum in Complex Systems | https://ctosentinel.com/ 
Connect with Kathy:
Website | https://kathkeating.com/ 
LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/kathykeating/ 
Connect with Monique:
Website | https://www.thegreatlifeexperimentpodcast.com/ 
Instagram - thegreatlifeexperiment_podcast | https://www.instagram.com/thegreatlifeexperiment_podcast
Instagram - @itsmoniqueschafer | https://www.instagram.com/itsmoniqueschafer 
YouTube | https://www.youtube.com/@GreatLifeExperiment 
Ask Monique
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#28 When What You Are Doing Isn't Working: Get Back to the Basics / First Principles

When what you’ve always done stops working, it can feel unsettling. But disruption often carries a quiet invitation: maybe the only way forward is going back to the basics of who you are and what you truly believe.
In this episode, Monique explores what happens when life, work, or the world no longer responds to the patterns that once made sense. Whether it’s shifting industries, changing careers, or personal rhythms that suddenly feel heavy, she invites listeners to lean into the power of first principles. She offers a reminder that going back to the basics isn’t about stepping backward. It’s about rediscovering clarity, anchoring in values, and building something new with intention. 
In this episode:
(01:31) - Why many of us feel both stuck and energized in change(03:28) - Lessons from the movie, La Grande Maison Paris(05:50) - What this means for careers, product management, and leadership(08:18) - Why impact matters more than output in uncertain times(09:24) - Introspection, core beliefs, and new possibilities
Connect with Monique:
Website | https://www.thegreatlifeexperimentpodcast.com/ 
Instagram - thegreatlifeexperiment_podcast | https://www.instagram.com/thegreatlifeexperiment_podcast
Instagram - @itsmoniqueschafer | https://www.instagram.com/itsmoniqueschafer 
YouTube | https://www.youtube.com/@GreatLifeExperiment 
Ask Monique
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#27 A Quick Summer Pause (Voice Note)

Taking a moment to pause, reset, and be present.Monique shares a quick update as she steps away for a two-week break to honor rest, family, and disconnection. The Great Life Experiment returns August 21 with fresh episodes and deeper conversations. Until then, take care of yourself, enjoy your people, and we’ll be back soon. 
Connect with Monique:
Website | https://www.thegreatlifeexperimentpodcast.com/ 
Instagram - thegreatlifeexperiment_podcast | https://www.instagram.com/thegreatlifeexperiment_podcast
Instagram - @itsmoniqueschafer | https://www.instagram.com/itsmoniqueschafer 
YouTube | https://www.youtube.com/@GreatLifeExperiment 
Ask Monique
Got a question that's keeping you up at night? Need a new way to look at a problem? 
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#26 Ask Me Anything: Navigating Transitions, Leading Without Authority, and Change Management

What do you do when change is happening and you’re not in charge?
In this candid AMA-style conversation, Monique sits down with her husband and long-time tech leader, Ben Schafer to unpack what it means to lead through change, especially when you’re not in a formal leadership role. 
Monique shares real stories from her own career pivots - from consultant to product leader to director, and breaks down what most people miss about internal transitions, leadership identity, and decision-making during moments of uncertainty. From soft power and emotional intelligence to tactical frameworks, this is the conversation most people wish they had earlier in their leadership journey. 
If you’re ever found yourself asking: Why does this feel off? Am I outgrowing something? Am I still valuable here? This one’s for you.
In this episode:
(02:57) - Defining and recognizing transitions(05:04) - The importance of the in-between period(08:17) - Monique’s real-life example of the true inner work of every career pivot(11:54) - How to lead when you’re not in a position of leadership(15:01) - Example of leadership in consulting(18:49) - Grounding people in the business objective(22:23) - Leadership is all about empowering people(24:09) - Decision-making frameworks that move teams forward(26:15) - Reconciling personal beliefs and emotions about change(35:52) - Navigating resistance and shutdowns with compassion (and boundaries)
Connect with Monique:
Website | https://www.thegreatlifeexperimentpodcast.com/ 
Instagram - thegreatlifeexperiment_podcast | https://www.instagram.com/thegreatlifeexperiment_podcast
Instagram - @itsmoniqueschafer | https://www.instagram.com/itsmoniqueschafer 
YouTube | https://www.youtube.com/@GreatLifeExperiment 
Ask Monique
Got a question that's keeping you up at night? Need a new way to look at a problem? 
'Ask Monique' is your chance to get personalized insights. Submit your questions about business, professional life, or personal development, and let's dive into the messy, beautiful, and ever-changing world together. 
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#25 From Wall Street to Tech to Angel Investing: A Journey to Impact ft. Natalie Levy, Founder of She’s Independent

You don’t need millions to start investing. You just need curiosity, intention, and the willingness to begin before you feel ready. 
In this episode, Monique Schafer sits down with Natalie Levy, founder of She’s Independent, to explore how angel investing becomes a pathway not just to financial returns, but also to confidence and leadership. 
Natalie shares how her journey, from Wall Street to values-aligned investing, was never about having it all figured out. It was about starting scared, taking intentional steps, and letting each decision deepen her sense of self and purpose. Together, they explore how wealth, influence, and impact can begin with something as simple as curiosity, and how the act of investing (even in small amounts) can unlock success, board opportunities, and belief. 
This episode is not just about money. It’s about reclaiming power, building the muscle of confidence through action, and choosing a life that aligns with who you truly are.
In this episode:
(01:36) - Introducing Natalie Levy & the story behind She’s Independent(06:07) - Breaking into Wall Street: early pushback, grit, and finding her voice(08:10) - Mindset shifts that changed everything: how Natalie made bold pivots(12:24) - Confidence isn’t a pre-requisite. It’s a by-product of action(14:47) - Redefining risk and unpacking your money story(17:23) - Why mission and values belong at the core of your investing decisions(21:01) - The illusion of financial freedom without fulfillment(22:27) - Natalie’s investing journey(27:16) - How to start investing as a corporate employee(31:45) - Skills that companies are looking for in advisory and board members(34:25) - How pitch days help you refine your edge (and build your voice)(37:17) - Resources, next steps, and Natalie’s upcoming book
Links and Resources:
She’s Independent | https://shesindependent.com/ 
YouTube - She’s Independent | https://www.youtube.com/@ShesIndependent 
Connect with Natalie:
Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/nattygram_and_b 
LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/nataliedlevy/ 
Connect with Monique:
Website | https://www.thegreatlifeexperimentpodcast.com/ 
Instagram - thegreatlifeexperiment_podcast | https://www.instagram.com/thegreatlifeexperiment_podcast
Instagram - @itsmoniqueschafer | https://www.instagram.com/itsmoniqueschafer 
YouTube | https://www.youtube.com/@GreatLifeExperiment 
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#24 Returning to Work After a Break - How to Keep Thriving and Not Start All Over

You’ve returned to work after a necessary break—maybe it was for your health, family, or just life. But now you’re wondering… why does it feel like you’re starting from scratch?
In this episode, Monique offers a grounded, strategic take on what it really looks like to return to work after a career pause and the quiet courage it takes to advocate for yourself in the process. Drawing from a real-life conversation, she shares the story of a professional who came back to work only to feel like she had lost her place. 
Through thoughtful guidance and practical insight, Monique unpacks how to re-establish visibility, align with leadership, and position yourself as a strategic asset, not a problem to solve. This episode is a permission slip to stop waiting for recognition and start initiating the conversations that will move your career forward.
At its core, it’s not just about getting your old projects back. It’s about owning your worth, communicating with clarity, and building the future you’re still deeply called to lead. 
In this episode:
(02:00) - Returning to work after a break(03:45) - “I’m back… but everything I built moved on without me”(05:10) - Clarity with leadership around your role and the current business needs(06:30) - How to express readiness without overexplaining(07:11) - Offering solutions - why framing matters(11:04) - What to do when your manager isn’t a natural advocate(12:41) - Advocating for yourself is leadership in motion
Connect with Monique:
Website | https://www.thegreatlifeexperimentpodcast.com/ 
Instagram - thegreatlifeexperiment_podcast | https://www.instagram.com/thegreatlifeexperiment_podcast
Instagram - @itsmoniqueschafer | https://www.instagram.com/itsmoniqueschafer 
YouTube | https://www.youtube.com/@GreatLifeExperiment 
Ask Monique
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#23 Roots and Rediscovery: Reconnecting with Familiar Spaces

Do you ever feel a mix of emotions when revisiting places connected to your family history? Whether it's a relative's home, a cherished childhood vacation spot, or a community where you spent a lot of time steeped in memories, sometimes these "family spaces" can feel complicated. We evolve, these places change, and the history can be heavy. But what if these complicated places offered an unexpected opportunity for personal growth and creating new, meaningful connections?
In this personal episode, Monique shares her journey back to her family's farm in the rural Midwest. This isn't where she grew up, but it's a 'family space' that forms a rich part of her family's roots, steeped in generations of stories, transformations, and memories. Monique unpacks the emotional nuances of returning to spaces with mixed feelings and reveals how she chose to see familiar places, create new experiences, and make new meaning for this next generation. 
This episode is your invitation to acknowledge that more than one truth can exist simultaneously. You don't have to have it all figured out, and it's okay for things to feel uncertain. Learn how to create new, positive associations and memories in places that once felt fraught. It's time to embrace the art of rediscovery: redefining your relationship with these spaces, fostering new peace, and deepening your connection to your roots, all on your own terms.
In this episode:
(01:11) - A quiet pause in the Midwest(02:30) - The emotional nuance of returning to “happy” places with mixed memories(05:10) - A new home on old land(07:18) - Rediscovering like a tourist(08:58) - When the middle of nowhere becomes peace(09:36) - Becoming a tourist in your own town(10:49) - A love for both the city and the quiet country(12:31) - Appreciating your roots while choosing new rhythms
Connect with Monique:
Website | https://www.thegreatlifeexperimentpodcast.com/ 
Instagram - thegreatlifeexperiment_podcast | https://www.instagram.com/thegreatlifeexperiment_podcast
Instagram - @itsmoniqueschafer | https://www.instagram.com/itsmoniqueschafer 
YouTube | https://www.youtube.com/@GreatLifeExperiment 
Ask Monique
Got a question that's keeping you up at night? Need a new way to look at a problem? 
'Ask Monique' is your chance to get personalized insights. Submit your questions about business, professional life, or personal development, and let's dive into the messy, beautiful, and ever-changing world together. 
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#22 Case Study: Using Google NotebookLM to Catch Up on The Great Life Experiment Podcast

In this special case study episode, Monique takes listeners inside an experiment of her own — using Google’s AI tool, Google NotebookLM, to analyze the first 20 episodes of this podcast. 
Part recap, part reflection, this episode blends AI with insight and gently explores how technology can help us see our evolution more clearly. Monique shares surprising themes that emerged and offers a simple invitation: What might you discover if you used a tool like this on your work… or your own life?
Whether you’re new to this podcast or have been here from the start, this is the perfect moment to catch up and maybe see your own story with fresh eyes. Let’s dive in!
In this episode:
(01:40) - Exploring NotebookLM: An AI Tool for Summarization(04:14) - Insights and Limitations of AI Summarization(06:04) - Themes of Resilience and Human Skills in a Changing World(07:28) - Engagement and Feedback from Listeners
NotebookLM - AI Generated Audio Overview
(09:46) - Navigating the Nonlinear Journey(14:25) - Cultivating a Resilient Mindset for Growth(18:09) - Practical Frameworks for Sustainable Progress(21:41) -  Building a Supportive Ecosystem
Links and Resources:
NotebookLM | https://notebooklm.google/ 
Connect with Monique:
Website | https://www.thegreatlifeexperimentpodcast.com/ 
Instagram - thegreatlifeexperiment_podcast | https://www.instagram.com/thegreatlifeexperiment_podcast
Instagram - @itsmoniqueschafer | https://www.instagram.com/itsmoniqueschafer 
YouTube | https://www.youtube.com/@GreatLifeExperiment 
Ask Monique
Got a question that's keeping you up at night? Need a new way to look at a problem? 
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#21 The Internal Struggle with Social Media: A Conversation with Mary Robb, Social Practice CEO

What if your next professional breakthrough isn’t about doing more but showing up differently?
In this episode, Monique Schafer sits down with powerhouse entrepreneur and social media strategist, Mary Robb. As the founder and CEO of Social Practice, Mary brings the kind of clarity and warmth that cuts through the noise and reminds us what social media was always meant to be: connection, storytelling, and service.
Together, Mary and Monique unpack the messy, beautiful, and often emotional process of showing up online, not just as a business, but as a whole human. They talk about the difference between business and personal branding (and how to do both without losing your mind), why values should lead your content, and how to create boundaries that protect your mental health while still building real influence.
This one’s for the multi-passionate leader, who’s been silently asking: How do I put myself out there without losing myself? For the high-achiever who’s built a career but hasn’t quite figured out how to bring their voice forward. And for anyone who just knows it’s time to start using her voice with intention — imperfectly, honestly, and on purpose. Let’s dive in!
In this episode:
(05:00) - Business Brand vs Personal Brand: What’s the Difference?(07:31) - Know Your Values, Know Your Voice(13:24) - Creating a Personal Brand with Intention(09:46) - The Identity Beyond the Job Title(14:07) - Showing Up Before You’re Polished(17:49) - Why Boundaries Are a Brand Strategy(23:18) - Creating Before Consuming(24:13) - Rethinking Vulnerability Online(29:40) - Attracting Talent Through Social Media(30:45) - Why Developing Your Personal Brand Is Key in This New Era of Work(36:26) - Two Questions to Get You Started(41:22) - You’re Not a Resume — You’re a Story(42:47) - Getting Over Yourself and Posting It Anyway
Links and Resources:
Social Practice | https://social-practicetx.com/ 
Book - The Let Them Theory: A Life-Changing Tool That Millions of People Can't Stop Talking About by Mel Robbins | https://a.co/d/5FSHIck 
FORDIFY with Emily Ford | https://www.instagram.com/fordifymybrand/ 
Connect with Mary:
Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/maryelizabethrobb 
Facebook | https://www.facebook.com/socialpracticeus/ 
LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/maryerobb/ 
Connect with Monique:
Website | https://www.thegreatlifeexperimentpodcast.com/ 
Instagram - thegreatlifeexperiment_podcast | https://www.instagram.com/thegreatlifeexperiment_podcast
Instagram - @itsmoniqueschafer | https://www.instagram.com/itsmoniqueschafer 
YouTube | https://www.youtube.com/@GreatLifeExperiment 
Ask Monique
Got a question that's keeping you up at night? Need a new way to look at a problem? 
'Ask Monique' is your chance to get personalized insights. Submit your questions about business, professional life, or personal development, and let's dive into the messy, beautiful, and ever-changing world together. 
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